We have survived two days of CES 2025

Devindra: [00:00:00] What’s up everybody, that is Devindra Hardwar, Senior Editor at Engadget.

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Cherlynn: I am Deputy Editor Cherlynn Low.

Devindra: We’re right here what is that this, the start of evening one in every of CES formally?

Cherlynn: I suppose, yeah. I

Devindra: guess we now have already suffered by way of principally day minus one. Minus

Cherlynn: one and right this moment’s zero.

Devindra: One factor I need our listeners to grasp is that we now have already seen numerous issues we sort of know the place the CES is headed. And, I feel it is a cursed present Cherlynn. How do you are feeling about that? For all of us. For our

Cherlynn: staff. Yeah, I feel I imply, Devindra, I will allow you to communicate to your scenario, however we have had staff members who’ve fallen deathly in poor health.

We’ve additionally, like, individuals who have fully needed to miss their flights, worldwide flights. It has been fairly Engadget staff, however we now have a very, actually good staff of individuals. Everybody’s bought nice attitudes and, like, our spirits are excessive. Okay. You need to simply get the stuff going. So, yeah, no, and Devindra, you’ve gotten been struggling slightly [00:01:00] bit.

Devindra: So, yeah, replace right here is I principally threw my again out the the day earlier than I needed to fly. So, I sort of was mentally simply getting ready how one can fly with out caring a lot and simply being very easy on my again. However, you realize, I survived. And

Cherlynn: sitting in a airplane for so long as you probably did could not assist both, proper?

In all probability did not assist.

Devindra: Fortunately I did a wise factor and I purchased a Consolation Plus improve with my factors forward of time. And I used to be like, I used to be going to be chill on the flight and it turned out that was simply obligatory. Yeah, so CS is formally starting. We’ve seen we have simply went by way of CS Unveiled yesterday.

Plenty of embargoes and information got here out right this moment too. , a number of the greatest information we have seen. Dell’s rebrand away from its personal PC names. To Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. There’s some new {hardware} from Intel and AMD. Yay! that they confirmed off and, you realize, simply sort of a typical CS stuff. What had been the bizarre stuff you noticed, Cherlynn, at at Unveiled?

Since you had been there amidst all of the bizarre devices.

Cherlynn: Yeah, and to be clear, given Devindra’s [00:02:00] harm, we’re, we’re having Devindra keep in place the place he’s, you realize, capable of get well slightly bit. So, Devindra wasn’t at Unveiled with me, so I will inform you about all these humorous issues we noticed at Unveiled.

By some means essentially the most intriguing factor to date is the development of Placing issues in your mouth at CES Unveiled.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Cherlynn: So, we now have like, no less than two issues which might be saliva detecting gadgets. Uh huh, huh. Or like, you place a drop of saliva otherwise you put your like, a stick in your mouth or one thing. We

Devindra: should not going to name this the Hawktwa CES, let’s not try this.

Dan

Cherlynn: Cooper positively not arising with a narrative primarily based round that. However the thought is that utilizing your saliva. Corporations can inform how a lot cortisol or different varieties like progesterone forms of issues, hormones are inside your Or in you, proper? And so it’s kind of to assist with burnout a bit to assist with like stress and well being after which there may be It is the salt spoon that everybody was licking at CES on day one.

That

Devindra: does not look like a great [00:03:00] thought at a, at a convention. It

Cherlynn: was so, yeah, everybody’s felt prefer it was, initially it appeared slightly icky, however the sales space was so crowded I went over and it seems they really had like particular person disposable variations of this spoon, the salt spoon per its title. It is a gadget that can mimic or simulate the, the flavour of umami or salt made by an organization referred to as Kirin.

Devindra: Okay.

Cherlynn: Which I consider makes some sort of condiment. That is the,

Devindra: they are a soy sauce firm. Precisely.

Cherlynn: And so, it is the concept like, folks need to dwell more healthy, eat higher, and never have such a excessive sodium food plan. So, however they nonetheless crave this style. We adore it. We

Devindra: love umami. Precisely. Why do not

Cherlynn: we, why do not we use electrical in your tongue?

Devindra: That’s some dystopian, I hope the story about that is the way it’s made. That could be very dystopian. That is very like, you realize, Soylent Inexperienced or one thing the place we’re not likely consuming meals, however we’re feeling these kind of like electrical impulses of meals.

Cherlynn: Triggering your tongue to really feel prefer it’s tasting one thing.

Simply to really feel alive. That is horrible. I do know. I, it is, it is, you requested me bizarre. And I used to be like, yeah, that [00:04:00] is fairly horrifying. However I am very intrigued. I nearly, so I used to be sort of ready in line, however it was so crowded all the time. And I had a lot different stuff to take a look at that, I did not actually get round to it.

There have been different issues, I feel, that turned up that, as unveiled, that had been very attention-grabbing. Our staff noticed a stringless guitar. There have been, like, a couple of zillion robots that every one sort of look very bizarre. After which, a number of mirrors which you can, like, stand in entrance of and scan your self. And, lastly, I feel, the Stern Pinball Machine of the Yr is themed Dungeons Dragons.

Okay.

Devindra: Actually, simply actually hitting the nerd market completely. We did see Roborock’s flagship new robotic vacuum and that factor seems to be cool as a result of they simply added an arm to it. Prefer it has an extendable arm that may choose up socks and small issues from the ground. And I’m actually interested by seeing the race between Roomba all these different firms.

I feel was one of many first to do like, okay, self cleansing. We will dump your vacuum into this greater container than the vacuum [00:05:00] can maintain going. Now everyone’s doing that. Then Roomba and others folks began doing like combo mops. And now it is similar to, we’re getting appendages. We’re getting, I feel one can climb stairs.

I noticed information about that.

Cherlynn: So Carissa is on the robotic vacuum for us, I suppose. And she or he bought an opportunity to take a look at the, yeah, the Roborock I can not keep in mind the precise. title, the way it’s pronounced, Safi or Safu Z70 and it we now have a video on the article on our web site in addition to on our Twitter. It is

Devindra: the Saros Z70, yeah.

Cherlynn: So shut, that was so shut. And yeah, that video exhibits the robotic’s arm sort of popping out of its spherical disc like physique after which selecting up a sock that was in entrance of it. And never solely that, I believed it could simply choose it up after which like, wipe after which transfer away and put it again down. No, it took it to a basket close by, like a laundry basket nearly, And positioned it in there.

So principally

Devindra: we’re nearly there. We’re nearly there to actual robotic helpers.

Cherlynn: So shut. This factor could be very shut. Who knew Roborock of all firms would do it. I used to be like,

Devindra: it is a, it is actually attention-grabbing to look at as a result of Roborock, I feel, yeah, it is a [00:06:00] Chinese language firm and these of us, like, particularly after they’re doing robotic stuff, like they’re simply barreling ahead as a result of they will make investments extra in R& D and stuff.

I need, I’ve stated this earlier than. I need one thing that may like unload my dishwasher,

Cherlynn: which is the

Devindra: course of that I feel like

Cherlynn: my dishwashing unloading remedy.

Devindra: load it up clear the kitchen similar to an actual rosy robotic scenario. That is what I would like

Cherlynn: I imply the opposite robotic vacuum that you simply’re speaking about that may climb upstairs.

I consider is the dreamy And yeah, it is attention-grabbing to see or I used to be like why why would we’d like a robotic vacuum that may climb upstairs? However I suppose there are precise practical makes use of for the x50 robotic I do not know, man. 1, 700 only for it to, like, climb.

Devindra: I feel it is a unhealthy thought. It is a unhealthy thought, as a result of Usually, you need your robotic to be on one flooring.

Yeah! After you have stairs within the equation, then, like, it might fall. There could possibly be all types of points. To me, that is not tremendous helpful. I have been room constructing for some time, and solely lately with two flooring. You choose it up, and you progress it to a different flooring when you must. If you happen to’re tremendous [00:07:00] bougie, you’ve gotten a couple of Roomba.

You could have a Roomba port per flooring. Or you’ve gotten

Cherlynn: a budget one on the ground that does not matter as a lot because the costly one within the place that issues. They usually’re

Devindra: low-cost Roombas. You would get a refurb Roomba for like 200, 300 bucks.

Cherlynn: Yeah.

Devindra: Comparatively, that is comparatively low-cost in comparison with how a lot they used to price.

Cherlynn: Effectively, this one, I imply, I suppose the, the shtick with this dreamy robotic is that it climbs up like a human. So it is not like kind of propelling itself up in some unusual manner, going up on an incline, getting his rollers. It is like, God, some sort of like climbing mechanic. That is like. Bipedal? Is it bipedal? Is it like

Devindra: I’ve to take a more in-depth look.

The

Cherlynn: video seems to be like wild and I am in such a CES fever dream that like, I’ve forgotten what it seems to be like. A lot

Devindra: stuff. One other factor I need to speak about, the TVs look like, it looks like wi-fi TVs are morbid factor proper now. Like LG and Samsung are totally doing it. All their flagships have wi-fi bins.

They are saying the lag is fairly good for gaming. I must, I must see that to see how a lot it really works. However I do assume that is a great ache level for lots of [00:08:00] folks. Folks hate Wires. Shifting behind their TVs. They hate, like, for those who’re mounting a TV, you must, like, work out the place all of the wires are going to go.

So there’s that that firm Displace, which final 12 months had the suction TV with the battery, which I feel I referred to as it vaporware final 12 months. I do not assume they really shipped any. This 12 months they’re again. They’ve a soundbar. They are saying they’ll truly ship stuff. I do not consider it. However, they’re again.

They’re right here.

Cherlynn: Is one 12 months sufficient time to see if the TV that can stick itself to your wall has fallen off but? what I imply? Like, is it time to name it secure if it hasn’t fallen off in a 12 months? Or ought to we give it one other 12 months? I do not know.

Devindra: It is my complete factor about trusting devices and trusting gadgets, I cannot belief it.

Multi thousand greenback system that’s simply hanging by my wall by suction cup.

Cherlynn: It is like one factor if it falls off and hurts itself, it is one other if it like takes down my wall with it, proper? Like, and my mattress and my glass desk or one thing. So yeah, there’s numerous stuff to be involved about, I feel.

Devindra: Boy AIPC continues to be a working theme this 12 months.

AMD was actually large on a complete bunch of [00:09:00] new chips. They introduced the Ryzen AI Max chip, which they are saying goes to be in Halo merchandise, Halo Copilot Plus PCs. It is imagined to be actually highly effective. It has extra graphics than their different ones. Additionally they say it does higher rendering, like 3D rendering, higher than Intel’s chips.

As a result of AMD’s graphics are usually higher. They’ve like in-built Radeon cores. So, you realize, they’re sort of killing it. Intel was similar to, hey We’ve AI chips too. They’re coming to gaming desktops. They’re coming to different issues.

Speaker 3: Yeah,

Devindra: they’ve core PC, core AI laptop computer chips that will probably be coming to gaming laptops as effectively.

So, that is a factor. , the benefit of CES is which you can see folks and discuss to folks. So, I had a great chat with Pavan Davaluri, who’s like the top of Home windows and Floor gadgets from Microsoft. That was an off the document chat, however I can say it was good to have. That dialog to see what they’re eager about AI PCs.

Hopefully we’ll have him on for an additional part of the gadget podcast, [00:10:00] however I suppose like CS is going on. Like when information is going on, these firms are taking it critically. We’re speaking to excessive stage folks. So it seems like a CS of your, I would say, regardless of being so cursed early on,

Speaker 3: I suppose,

Devindra: yeah, like stuff, it feels professional and actual in a manner that hasn’t for the previous couple of years.

However I imply, for

Cherlynn: you, possibly two a part of it’s the return to the bodily. Sure. Proper, as a result of it has been some time. And I feel that my basic sense is that curiosity in CES may need waned. I feel this 12 months too you realize, we have, we have had totally different observations about exhibits from the latest years and this 12 months feels much more like it’s one thing you possibly can, it is like commoditizing issues for the sake of commoditizing issues slightly bit and greater than ever truly.

And it is very very like the Radio Shack present slightly bit. However you realize, I’d say, I do not need to give away what we’re engaged on. So I’d say like, we’re, Come to Engadget. com come to our social media channels the place we have numerous movies going up We have truly are bringing again our youtube channel for slightly bit And the dwell weblog we I’m in [00:11:00] dwell weblog hell every single day for slightly bit however it’s a enjoyable time as a result of dwell blogs enable me to be a bit extra I feel private with our viewers Which is enjoyable like this podcast However I do need to shout out prefer to your level like amd and intel Each have made their bulletins as of the time.

We’re recording this however We nonetheless do not know technically what NVIDIA goes to announce. And Nvidia has one of many, I wanna say essentially the most hyped keynotes or speeches, this CES mm-hmm . What are you considering that they will do for CES?

Devindra: I imply, for the keynote, they usually hype up their AI initiatives or robotics initiatives.

And actually, issues that we do not usually report information on as a result of it is sort of pie within the sky stuff that can solely exist for a automotive producers or one thing. They do not actually contact customers. We’ll finally hear, more than likely, in regards to the new GeForce RTX GPUs. Perhaps not tonight, however I’ve a great sense like someday this week, NVIDIA will make that announcement.

And that’s the factor individuals are actually ready to see. And I feel AMD sensed {that a} bit too. They briefly teased some details about the RDNA 4 [00:12:00] GPUs. Yeah, AMD additionally teased their RX 9070 GPUs. And that is attention-grabbing too, simply the title is attention-grabbing. As a result of you realize, AMD’s used to observe a completely totally different Radeon naming scheme.

Now they’re sort of aligning with what NVIDIA’s doing. So, this Radeon RX 9070 will probably be similar to no matter NVIDIA broadcasts as a 5070 video card. Okay. So, it ought to make procuring slightly simpler. So there’s that. The RDNA 4 expertise goes to have AI upscaling, which is a factor we have knocked AMD towards earlier than.

As a result of their constancy impacts an excellent decision for stuff. However simply could not compete with NVIDIA NVIDIA’s DLSS, in order that they’re gonna have a solution to that. However once more, similar to, transient teases the information submit I wrote is just like the naked minimal we will even write as a result of they did not have a lot info.

They’re similar to, yeah, we may have new video playing cards, we may have new

Cherlynn: graphics. Is it claiming a spot,

Devindra: proper? Like, kinda? Yeah. Mainly. Whereas I feel NVIDIA’s gonna come right here and showcase new {hardware}, new precise issues, so. We will see.

Cherlynn: Yeah.

Devindra: And I need to do possibly one or two [00:13:00] extra of those episodes, similar to recapping the place we’re Oh, all through the present?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we’re utilizing the DJI mic 2, or mic mini, so we will like sit down and document wherever. Yep. We’re at our breakfast nook proper now. In

Cherlynn: the resort.

Devindra: Yeah. And possibly you will hear extra ambient noise than regular, however it, it is a actually good solution to have conversations. Yeah, it is quick. We hope to have some interviews from of us up quickly too.

With different

Cherlynn: members of the staff. You will hear extra than simply the 2 of us. I feel, I promise you all of them sound superb and beautiful. I am making an attempt to think about like, whether or not there’s anything that is of observe within the information that we have seen to date, as a result of to your level, proper, CES is in full swing, actually. And we have been

Devindra: like, headstabbed.

Identical to, a lot stuff. Sherilyn’s been managing a lot of the like, sensible stuff and the scheduling stuff. Yeah, I’ve had like a pile of embargoes. All of us, like, all of the staff

Cherlynn: has had piles of embargoes, which is like, it’s, like, to your level, sort of a return to kind in that sense, but in addition seems like we have been masking this endlessly each CES.

We noticed just a few I do not know. A number of AI that [00:14:00] does not actually have to be AI. We noticed numerous pet tech. We noticed numerous good dwelling. Man, ship us your ideas, actually, as far as we’re chugging alongside the present. Podcast at Engadget. com can be an important place to drop them. Oh my gosh LG’s bought all these bizarre merchandise that I feel we talked about even forward of coming to CES.

The place like, sure it is slapdick 2070 inch display screen on a microwave, however then lately we discovered what, it was a projector that appears like a stand fan or one thing? That is truly

Devindra: sort of cool. Yeah, we gotta get some video of that stuff.

Cherlynn: Yeah, so lots, lots to look out

Devindra: for. Of the tales we have produced, I do need to shout out the stuff Sam and I did round Dell’s rebranding.

I wrote about Dell rebranding all of its PCs to sound extra like Apple, so take a look at that submit. However Sam had a very good rant referred to as Dell killing the XPS title is an unforced error. And that complete story is wild as a result of Dell’s principally obliterating all of its model names. They’re simply going to be Dell, Dell Professional and Dell Professional Max.

And to each of us, that sounds very Apple y. Wait, can I insert

Cherlynn: myself slightly bit right here? As a result of it is not simply Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. [00:15:00] After I learn each of your posts, it’s the sub tiers that is mindless. Like in the event that they simplified it really, it could simply be Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. Positive. However no, it could be Dell, Dell Professional, after which below every, there is likely to be the premium label and the plus label.

So it could possibly be the Dell Professional Plus. Yep. However versus the Dell non professional premium. So the Dell premium continues to be worse than the Dell Professional Plus?

Devindra: Sure.

Cherlynn: My goodness. What? And you then throw within the numbers. There’s numbers. They’re coming again. A number of the numbers

Devindra: are coming again. The desktops are sort of ridiculous as a result of on the occasion Sam and I had been at, they confirmed off The Dell Professional Max Micro and the Dell Professional Max Mini, which you’ve gotten the identical title inside your title.

You’re conflicting what this system truly is, and I discover that to be fully ridiculous. So, take a look at Sam and my rant about that factor. I additionally did a video up on YouTube, and for as soon as, the YouTube commentators appear to be on our aspect. Sure, they’re proper.

Cherlynn: They’re proper. We’re proper, and Dell [00:16:00] just isn’t proper.

And so I’m glad you pointed it out. It appeared like lots of people resonated with that story on our aspect as effectively. It is a complete

Devindra: factor. And I’ll say I do not miss just like the, I do not miss numerous the manufacturers like Inspiron and no matter, however it’s extra like XPS. Eliminating XPS looks like a mistake. Falling within the footsteps of Apple looks like a very weak transfer.

Cherlynn: Of all of the issues to do as a result of look, I coated HP’s pivot to at least one model as effectively when that occurred final 12 months. And HP had a great sense to only, after they say simplify, they imply. Simplify to their very own model. In order that they did Omnibook, proper? Which isn’t Professional Max. Positive. It is their very own title. For Dell to inform you that they are not copying Apple, and I am not saying they did say that to you, however like, they roughly urged that these are business phrases.

They did say that

Speaker 3: to me. However

Cherlynn: like, if HP can achieve this with out invoking the phrases Professional and Max, why cannot you, Dell?

Devindra: That is principally what I requested Michael Dell, the CEO of Dell, at this occasion the place Dell. com. He was there to announce this complete factor they usually had been asking [00:17:00] questions from the viewers. So yeah, I shot my hand up and I used to be like, my direct query to him was, what does Dell have to realize by copying Apple?

And Michael Dell didn’t look too happy.

Cherlynn: In fact he did. He

Devindra: I imply for him too, it is like, oh, now my names are all Dell, Dell, Dell. So it is like higher for him and his ego. Yeah, yeah, his

Cherlynn: title, yeah, yeah. And I

Devindra: really feel like which may be a part of it, however I’ve talked to lots of people at Dell, like Different folks, folks working throughout the PC design stuff and no one was enthusiastic about this transformation.

In fact

Speaker 3: not, why? As a result of

Devindra: their infants are all gone. Just like the individuals who work on Inspiron and Precision and every thing, the manufacturers they dedicate their lives to are gone. And now they must dwell with these new manufacturers and I do not know if individuals are going to be as excited. So anyway, that is going to be an extended ongoing story.

Take a look at our protection in all of its many varieties. I feel that is going to be one of many large takeaways from the CS. Del kind of, simply taking pictures itself within the foot right here. And no one appears to love it besides Del, besides Michael Del.

Cherlynn: Yeah. I need to shortly shout out that the Samsung press convention simply wrapped and we realized two issues of observe.

One, that the [00:18:00] Bali rolling robotic goes to truly retail this 12 months, they are saying. However they did say that final 12 months too. After which we do not know a worth but. We simply know it may be the primary half of the 12 months is what they stated on stage. After which the second factor is that they introduced the dates of Galaxy Unpacked.

It is going to occur? January twenty second. So thanks lots, Samsung, as a result of proper after CES, a few of us will probably be heading straight into preparation for Samsung Galaxy S8. Let

Devindra: Cherlynn take a break. That is the message of this 12 months. By no means,

Cherlynn: by no means taking place. Alright, we

Devindra: will, we’ll be again with extra updates about CES. Drop us an e-mail, of us, podcastinggadget.

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Cherlynn: music suggestions! Oh

Devindra: yeah, possibly we must always simply open up a playlist and have folks add songs to it. Anyway, we’re out of us, thanks.

Cherlynn: Bye!